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listen to boehner talking. as long as he's talking about not raising tax rates, we're on a path to a deal. if he starts talking about not raising taxes, maybe we're off the track. >> all right. we'll look for keywords. thank you very much. i know we'll talk with you probably every day including the 11th hour when this is finally done. >> happy to do it. >> on lessons learned from last week's election, our first read team asks, is the independent vote overrated? what do you think? they noted that romney won the independent vote 50/45. joining me now is mark murray. you and your team don't just point to mitt romney losing. others have lost banking on the independent voter. >> when we look at a poll or exit poll, are you winning independent voters? that's seen as winning the middle of the electorate, the people who decide a presidential contest. as you alluded to, in two of the last three presidential elections, the candidate who ended up winning the independent vote ended up losing the presidential contest. john
listen to boehner talking. as long as he's talking about not raising tax rates, we're on a path to a deal. if he starts talking about not raising taxes, maybe we're off the track. >> all right. we'll look for keywords. thank you very much. i know we'll talk with you probably every day including the 11th hour when this is finally done. >> happy to do it. >> on lessons learned from last week's election, our first read team asks, is the independent vote overrated? what do you...
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boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it. >> we'll see. as we quickly approach it. my thanks to the power panel today. i really appreciate your time today. >>> coming up next, a bipartisan plan to fix the nation's debt. the co-chairs are going to join me, ed rendell and former new hampshire senator judd gregg will join me to talk about this. we want to know what you think. should general petraeus have resigned? tweet me your thoughts about this or find me on facebook. oun] today, jason is here to volunteer to help those in need. when a twinge of back pain surprises him. morning starts in high spirits, but there's a growing pain in
boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it....
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>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said in the past, that higher rates will kill the economy. there is bill kristol pointing out how we've done perfectly fine under higher rates in the past. >> what he's trying to get through to republicans, particularly the new class that came in in 2010, okay, you campaigned on all of these promises, but now it's time to govern and things have come to a standstill in washington over the last two years, and now with the fiscal cliff or fiscal curve coming, and the president being re-elected with more than 50% of the vote, it's time to make a deal. and everyone knows that in order -- that the real deal th
>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said...
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there's the faction that would be amenable to the deal and somebody like john boehner is going to be working toward a deal. and then there's the other side, the more tea party republicans who aren't going to want to accept this, who aren't going to be okay with raising taxes on anyone. and so i think we are going to see a little bit of a fight here. that said, they don't want to be the ones that cause the country to go over the cliff. it's going to be an interesting couple of weeks. >> i think fewer people are more representative of the other side. does grover norquist have any clout? >> he has some. can he stop a short-term deal from being done? it's the desire to never cut a dime from the defense or the military budget. i think the question will be -- we will see a deal, will it be another short-term deal that kind of exchanges the stopping of the sequestration cuts of the military spending increases in favor of something like lifting the cap off social security taxes or adding some taxes to the wealthiest families in addition to the ones that are already going to take effect janua
there's the faction that would be amenable to the deal and somebody like john boehner is going to be working toward a deal. and then there's the other side, the more tea party republicans who aren't going to want to accept this, who aren't going to be okay with raising taxes on anyone. and so i think we are going to see a little bit of a fight here. that said, they don't want to be the ones that cause the country to go over the cliff. it's going to be an interesting couple of weeks. >> i...
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john boehner initially said, listen, president, it's time fur to lead. that's what you saw in that press conference, the president saying look at the map, look at my victory and get what and, oh, yeah, guess what, i've won. >> we've officially renamed the fiscal cliff the fiscal curb. it's a little step down and you keep taking the steps so by the time you goat march or april, there's something significant happening but not right away. but there's a tricky thing here. both sides want to call it a cliff because both sides need drama in order to drive the urgency of their position but i'm wondering if at some point the president doesn't soften this as we get into late december and start to say to people, well, on the first week of january, you're going u just going to see a little step. and we will have time to fix it retroactively. >> i think that's probably what you will hear. i think ultimately this is going to be some kind of compromise. the fiscal cliff, it would be about $6 hup billion worth of tax cuts. i think it is going to be softened. there are
john boehner initially said, listen, president, it's time fur to lead. that's what you saw in that press conference, the president saying look at the map, look at my victory and get what and, oh, yeah, guess what, i've won. >> we've officially renamed the fiscal cliff the fiscal curb. it's a little step down and you keep taking the steps so by the time you goat march or april, there's something significant happening but not right away. but there's a tricky thing here. both sides want to...
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creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in 2016. if cantor can be a dutiful lieutenant until then he could until 2016 if the house republicans win with redistricting and the margins they have which looks possible, he could achieve his dream of becoming the first jewish speaker of the house. no reason to try to ascertain and go higher up like he did in 2011 which left a negative impression of him in a lot of folks' opinions. it's going to be interesting to see if he, in fact, does stay back and credes to boehner's authorities. from all the conversation that's what he seems to be doing. >> i love the mixed messages here.
creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in...
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look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so, the real question is, whether he's able to go back to that tea party link and say what armstrong just said, work with the president, some degree on compromise on taxes and raising revenues. i think it's an open question whether he can do that and whether he can succeed in doing that. >> gentlemen, thanks so much. i appreciate your time today. >>> stick around. up next, i got actor and activist ally sheedy waiting in the wings. she'll be with me in a second. >>> welcome back. tens of thousands are still in the dark after hurricane sandy. power crews in new york and new j
look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so,...
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john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are born here, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done. whatever little penalties you want to put in there. then it's done. >> pathway to citizenship, done. where was all this talk before the election? you see this is all about getting votes. it's not coming from the heart. reforming immigration policy is a huge risk for the republicans. they could alienate their base. there's no guarantee they will win the latino vote in the long run. let's turn to ruy teixeira. great to have you with us. >> delighted to be here. >> you predicted thi
john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are...
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so boehner's going to ask for cuts to go along with debt ceiling increases as well. so this is a multi-headed beast if you will, an hydra that's waiting to be solved. it they don't have a lot of time. i think we're down to 12 or 13 legislative days before the end of the year. so there you go. let's -- a grand bargain in that short of time probably isn't going to take place. i think we can expect them to punt on pretty much all these things. >> can i ask you guys quickly about the testimony of former cia director general david petraeus as he appeared this week, yesterday. with regard to the testimony he talked about the benghazi attack. the answers he gave did not seem so sit well with the gop. but each side spinning exactly what he said to suit their interpretations. should the gop, though, lay to rest all of their complaints at this point? reid, you first. >> i don't think they're going to lay anything to rest. >> but should they based on what he said? this is the guy who was in charge. >> and i think that there are probably more things that peter king and the repub
so boehner's going to ask for cuts to go along with debt ceiling increases as well. so this is a multi-headed beast if you will, an hydra that's waiting to be solved. it they don't have a lot of time. i think we're down to 12 or 13 legislative days before the end of the year. so there you go. let's -- a grand bargain in that short of time probably isn't going to take place. i think we can expect them to punt on pretty much all these things. >> can i ask you guys quickly about the...
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for boehner, he wants a deal. i do want to comment a second on the interview you had with paul ryan. ryan might not think that there is a mandate, but the president does, congressional democrats do, and the public does, if you look at polling. and there's zero chance that the president is going to compromise on this, which is why i think there's a decent chance all the tax cuts go away at the end of the year. the president put down a marker yesterday saying $1.6 trillion in total revenue that he wants to raise. i don't think that's the real number. i think that's a negotiated number. but you know the floor is $800 billion because that's what he had last year when he had a much weaker hand. so the number falls in between 800 and $1.6 trillion. you can't get to that number by just closing loopholes. there's no way congress is going to get rid of the charitable tax deduction. there's no way that we're going to change the dynamics in the housing market when the housing market is starting to recover by getting rid of t
for boehner, he wants a deal. i do want to comment a second on the interview you had with paul ryan. ryan might not think that there is a mandate, but the president does, congressional democrats do, and the public does, if you look at polling. and there's zero chance that the president is going to compromise on this, which is why i think there's a decent chance all the tax cuts go away at the end of the year. the president put down a marker yesterday saying $1.6 trillion in total revenue that...
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speaker boehner, topless or otherwise. joy reid, david corn, and bill cohen, thank you all. apologies to david for that offensive anal si. >>> coming up, congress is back, the fiscal cliff is near. will house republicans finally think of the good of the country and not the good of this guy? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis that he was not romney and that romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. [ female announcer ] so how long have you been living flake-free with head & shoulders? since before jeans were this skinny... since us three got a haircut. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. without freshly-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. but then...it wouldn't be stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from stouffer's. >>> well, count grover norquist among the walking wounded after last week's election because a new report says the man responsible for the infamous anti-tax pledge doesn't have the sam
speaker boehner, topless or otherwise. joy reid, david corn, and bill cohen, thank you all. apologies to david for that offensive anal si. >>> coming up, congress is back, the fiscal cliff is near. will house republicans finally think of the good of the country and not the good of this guy? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis that he was not romney and that romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. [ female announcer ] so how long have you...
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both for president obama and for the house majority leader boehner. mitch mcconnell at least in public he tendses to look at president obama like a hitchhiker with pets or something. he doesn't want anything to do with him. if he continues to hold it, his first statement election night after president obama won, to say the least not very generous. >> not quite bipartisan. >> if mcconnell holds to that line, then big trouble for the obama agenda and for what boehner and others hoped to accomplish and big trouble for the country. some things you feel congress is so out of touch, i don't know how they could be after this election but, you know, there's out of date as these belt and slacks men used to wear. >> the metaphors are beautiful. >> belts and slacks. >> i love it. >> but i actually think there is a lot of truth there, which is they have the lowest approval rating historically. the obstructionism i don't think you can play it again for another two years. >> i think this is one where the members of the republican caucus in the senate have to let th
both for president obama and for the house majority leader boehner. mitch mcconnell at least in public he tendses to look at president obama like a hitchhiker with pets or something. he doesn't want anything to do with him. if he continues to hold it, his first statement election night after president obama won, to say the least not very generous. >> not quite bipartisan. >> if mcconnell holds to that line, then big trouble for the obama agenda and for what boehner and others hoped...
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. >> is speaker boehner ready to make a deal? >> the president convened a pow wow with leaders. >> the congressional leaders meeting at the white house today. >> begin negotiations about how to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> this is the beginning of a fruitful process. >> the issue is taxes. >> only one bad word -- taxes. >> raising taxes is a very bad idea. >> raising taxes is a terrible idea. >> to show our seriousness, we put revenue on the table. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table. >> a deadline. >> being able to work something out. >> there was a spirit of cooperation. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we didn't know how many candles were needed. ♪ best friend ♪ >> interrupting that was the ghost of christmas past. >> you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> mitt, 47%, romney. he is the gift that keeps on giving. >> republicans did not take kindly to mr. romney's words. >> i don't agree with the comments. >> we lost the presidency. it's time to move on. >> general petraeus
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it o off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. t. wow. nice place. yeah. [ chuckles ] the family thinks i'm out shipping these. smooth move. you used priority mail flat rate boxes. if it fits, it ships for a low, flat rate. paid for postage online and arranged a free pickup. and i'm gonna tra
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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the reason is you look at what boehner said. boehner was for a deal last year. we have to figure out what does eric cantor think, what does michele bachmann think, what does rand paul think? john bainer is the leader of the republican party in name, but he often is not leading them in policy. unless we know obama $1 trillion in tax increases, i'm not sure that rush limbaugh is for that right now. until we know that other conservatives outside of john boehner support that idea, it's hard to see where the compromise is. so i think i'm not optimistic either about where we are right now. >> just to jump in, i would echo that. sometimes we analyze these guys like boehner is the ceo. and that may be the case, but he has a board of directors. he's got other stakeholders to deal with. and we've got to see some movement from them if that bipartisanship that you were talking about in the beginning, mara, if that's going to go anywhere. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i would just point out there was real skepticism about whether boehner could deliver a deal with the debt ceili
the reason is you look at what boehner said. boehner was for a deal last year. we have to figure out what does eric cantor think, what does michele bachmann think, what does rand paul think? john bainer is the leader of the republican party in name, but he often is not leading them in policy. unless we know obama $1 trillion in tax increases, i'm not sure that rush limbaugh is for that right now. until we know that other conservatives outside of john boehner support that idea, it's hard to see...
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by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john metz, ceo of several denny's franchises, says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he suggests you simply tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the
by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting...
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boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to be in a position of actually having to lead. mcconnell can still be, because he's in the minority, can still be -- well, he can't make it his top priority to defeat obama but he can make it a top priority to defeat all of obama's policies. >> wouldn't it be great if they actually worked together? >> it's important to keep in mind john boehner is an old school guy willing to cut deals and be reasonable and compromise. now, the question is whether or not with eric cantor and the rest of the leadership kind of eyeing him how far he'll be able to go. but boehn
boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't know why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. make it $500,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of w
but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is...
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what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that conservatives are coming to grips with the notion that there may be a tax increase on upper income earners e. i point you to bill crystal saying the unspeakable. let's take a listen. >> there will be a deal by december 31st. i believe republicans will yield on top rates. president obama ran twice and won two elections. he didn't raise rates in 2009. we were in the midst of horrible downturn. they were able to bargain to a deal. i don't think republicans have the lemplg or that it's worth using whatever leverage they have to maintain rates at 35%
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that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today, extremely interesting when president obama was asked about comments from his former opponent, john mccain, who made some nasty comments about susan rice, the united states ambassador to the u.n. and she may well be the head of the state department soon. here's the president responding in a very personal way. i thought this was really a moment here. >> let me say specifically about susan rice. she has done exemlary work. she has represented the united states and united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and great.
that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today,...
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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and they knew that boehner was going to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in the senate. more people voted for democrats in the house than republicans. why do you have any leverage whatsoever? >> there's a republican majority here in the house. the american people re-elected the republican majority. >> it's important to remember that in this case, the voters also re-elected a republican-controlled house last week. the fact is the government is organized no differently today than it was after the republican wave of 2010. >> now, listen to what they had to say today. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. so for those of you who want -- >> i believe we're
and they knew that boehner was going to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in...
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. ♪ here a cheap, there a cheap, everywhere a cheap... you get it. so, what if instead of just a cheap choice, you could make a smart choice? like, esurance for example. they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. it's
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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here's speaker boehner on the chances of cutting a deal. here it is. >> if you've looked closely at what the president had to say and look closely at what i have had to say, you know, there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> ruth conniff, i really don't know what that means. do you? >> it makes me nervous because i don't really want to see us moving that close to boehner. and, you know, it's interesting. i talked to economist dean baker, he's the economist in america who showed that the housing bubble was a threat back in 2002. before it actually popped in 2005. he has a lot of credibility. he said the best deal might be no deal. if obama can go into these negotiations and say this fiscal cliff is not going to impact people on january 2nd, it's recessionary, but he could get the two main things he campaigned on, even if there's no deal, which is an instant hike on the very rich and no touching of social security, medicare and medicaid. then the republicans just as e.j. points out would have t
here's speaker boehner on the chances of cutting a deal. here it is. >> if you've looked closely at what the president had to say and look closely at what i have had to say, you know, there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> ruth conniff, i really don't know what that means. do you? >> it makes me nervous because i don't really want to see us moving that close to boehner. and, you know, it's interesting. i talked to economist...
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apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill pascrell on the latest movement on the fight for the middle class. >> a judge orders mediation for hostess and its employees. but make no mistake, the vulture capitalists will get their cut. i'll talk twinkie. >>> plus john mccain continues to spiral out of control over benghazi. >> the chickens are now coming home to roost. >> the banks revolt against elizabeth warren. >>> and workers are threatening strikes at walmart stores across america. >> we expect our associates to do their job. >> josh ed elson has the latest on the workers versus walmart. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democratic
apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill...
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. [ male announcer ] a european-inspired suspension, but not from germany. ♪ a powerful, fuel-efficient engine, but it's not from japan. ♪ it's a car like no other... inspired by a place like no other. introducing the all-new 2013 chevrolet malib
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment. listen to this for example. >> the conservative followship has been pleased, exploited and lied to. >> we have the media elite in a sense on the right, they're making millions of dollars talking about all the incendiary aspects where we need solutions. >> if i were a donor, my biggest problem would be that i was laid to. the conservative media establishment, they lied to the donors. they lied to the base. they lied to everybody about how romney was ahead. >> now, victoria, can these more moderate voices at least moderate compared to the tea party, can they gain traction a
you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment....
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can john boehner, do you think john boehner can corral or quiet the more radical elements of the republican party to come to the table with the president to make a grand deal in some form or fashion? >> ultimately, yes. i think those are the starting negotiating positions which are understandable. you have obama 250, you have republicans at least admitting there needs to be new revenue and want to go through the loopholes first and see where they can get revenue there. that's obviously not going to be enough. some point they're going to have to give on it. it may be ultimately that we have a situation where they -- the tax cut dozen expire. we go off the cliff for 24 hours but that offers the republicans an opportunity to come back and vote for a tax cut for those under 250 rather than increase through extension. that's an outcome that's possible. >> i'm curious about the notion the republicans can save face if we go over the fiscal cliff although lately people have been calling it the fiscal curb, it's unclear how much of a steep drop it is in the first 24 hours. can republicans, if the pr
can john boehner, do you think john boehner can corral or quiet the more radical elements of the republican party to come to the table with the president to make a grand deal in some form or fashion? >> ultimately, yes. i think those are the starting negotiating positions which are understandable. you have obama 250, you have republicans at least admitting there needs to be new revenue and want to go through the loopholes first and see where they can get revenue there. that's obviously...
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if they're going with boehner, it's a sign they'll deal. >> i want to bring in a democrat on both the armed services committee and select committee on intelligence and the fiscal cliff if i might. do you think the republicans will come to play? >> i believe that they will. it's my hope that everyone has gotten the message loud and clear that the american people expect us to compromise, democrats and republicans coming together to solve the fiscal cliff issue but in a balanced way and that is certainly what president obama has campaigned on protecting a strong middle class, allowing the tax cuts to expire above $250,000, but we can't be afraid to compromise but we can do that without compromising our principles. >> is part of this deal-making that the president wants to start his offer with more from the revenue side, the deal that fell apart, have $800 billion in revenue over ten years, now he might want to start with 1.6 trillion? >> sure, we're just -- let's put this in perspective. we have just over a trillion dollar budget deficit this year. so this part of raising additional reve
if they're going with boehner, it's a sign they'll deal. >> i want to bring in a democrat on both the armed services committee and select committee on intelligence and the fiscal cliff if i might. do you think the republicans will come to play? >> i believe that they will. it's my hope that everyone has gotten the message loud and clear that the american people expect us to compromise, democrats and republicans coming together to solve the fiscal cliff issue but in a balanced way...
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i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our hand at the table. but the public still has to continue to be engaged. public sentiment is everything. and in the past, for example, the republicans in the house were the odd people out on the -- on some of the tax bill. one of the tax -- you know, deduction. and then also on the transportation bill. and so when the president went public on those, then they finally came around. but they're not going to come around just by persuasion sitting across the table, i do not believe. >> they are not going to come around just by persuasion in washington. nancy pelosi essentially calling for
i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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>> well, i think speaker boehner has struck the right tone. clearly both from election -- the day after the election and including today we had the opportunity to meet with leader pelosi afterwards who was very encouraging about the meeting that took place in the white house, and i think boehner has always been, who is an institutionalist, has always cared deeply about this and would have struck the right deal. it's always been that element within the republican conference that has kept him from getting there, but i see a different kind of resolve and obviously, martin, for the interests of the country we hope that they don't lead us off this cliff that, as you point out, is artificially created by them, and so there's -- i think there's great hope that we can get this accomplished and set up the framework for the next session. >> okay. well, i want to play something for you of that encapsulates the outlook of some republicans. listen to this. >> i mean, it's a proven political strategy, which is give a bunch of money from the government to a
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thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the country, this country a much greater deal of certainty and security that our health care system is going to be there for them if they need it. >> well, arkoosh i think in addition to the fact we live in a nation where we're taxed for merely existing, there are still some people who aren't decided about obama care. in fact, politico had exit polling after the election showing the country's split down the middle on whether obama care should be repealed, partially or interly or kept. "forbes" has an article out called "five ways to protect yourself against obamacare." a concern is a doctor participate in a mass exodu
thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the...
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there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform. >> you want to grant design. that's very -- interesting point of view. >> doesn't have to be grand. we play to take two bites at it, debt ceiling coming up which i think, by the way, debt ceiling is the more important day personally than the fiscal cliff issue because we are not fiscal cliff is not going to happen. okay. simply is not going to happen. so -- to me, the focus ought to be on solvency and if we can deal with that and take a big step out of that, big step towards solving that, during this december, i agree with you. i think the
there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform....
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boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new willingness to accept a more balanced approach? >> i'm very much encouraged by it. that is what made it impossible for us to even have discussions at all up until the election results came in. as you know, president obama ran on a very explicit platform of restoring the clinton area tax rates for folks above $250,000. romney explicitly ran against that. exit polls showed half the folks who voted for romney in fact supported the obama position on taxes. the other thing that's important to keep in mind, we -- our congress actually has made a trillion and a half dollars
boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new...
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you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right place. the two things i keep thinking about is the business community, i think, what steve says is exactly right. it seems like from the outside, what they want more than anything is certainty. it's not just moment to moment. it's minute to minute. it's crisis to crisis. and that is an atmosphere that's not conclusive towards optimal economic activity. this notion of trying to get to long-term stability but not having short-term austerity measures would be too depressed on consumer activity seems like where we need to end up and a lot of pressure from republicans to the
you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right...